The future of this forum

[1QuickSI]

Mike, you mention on moving to another system so you will be able to limit access to you forum by password restriction. We can do this for you. There is no need to move anywhere or loose all the posts that have accumulated Please in the future drop me an e-mail as Hostboard can do many things to help you and your community grow.

Hope to hear from you!



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...Steven
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[MikeBrantley]

The plot thickens! This might be very good news...

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--Mike Brantley

[canadian crusher]

I am very interested to know what this means for selfish me, will I still be able to research my *film related* questions with this board? I must say sifting through fighting is getting tedious...

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[MikeBrantley]

Canadian Crusher, the forum will be recreated without the fighting - believe me. Stay tuned, and also watch for an announcement at http://www.super8filmmaking.com.

(edited to fix the link)

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--Mike Brantley

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[MikeBrantley]

NOTE: I am amending this post to note that this was in response to a post from Alex that he apparantly deleted, in which he asserted that I had not communicated with him "man to man."

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Alex, I have communicated with you numerous times these past few months, on the forum and via e-mail. You've been warned.

I take back my offer to link to any forum you may create. I just want you to go. I am leaving your posts up for now so that others can see the problems you are creating. I've asked you to refrain from posting to my forum, and now the Hostboard administrator has done so as well.

One way or another, I will soon have the capability to enfore that request.

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--Mike Brantley

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[Alex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MikeBrantley:
Alex,

Others have behaved poorly on the forum, mostly in reaction to you. Their behavior is inexcusable, in my view, but you seem to be a catalyst. Although you have been a valuable contributor in the past, you remain the root of one disagreement after the other in recent months. I've asked politely and not so politely for this to stop. When I first took action in this matter, I hoped we could all agree to wipe the slate clean and start again fresh, with no ill feelings and no grudges.

This hasn't happened.

As a Hostboard moderator yourself, you know that we moderators do not at present have the option to restrict membership to our forums. That is why I've decided to move my operation elsewhere at my earliest opportunity, even if that means a serious disruption to all the forum members and the likely loss of all messages posted to date. I see that I have no option because things have turned so nonproductive lately. I've gotten numerous complaints from users who aren't among the usual suspects who have again and again been involved in these arguments.

Alex, until the forum is relocated, I must respectfully ask you to refrain from posting in my forum. I am sorry, but this is not getting any better. The request may be extended to others as well, but I haven't decided on that yet. You know I can't ban anyone from Hostboard; all I can do is delete posts and close threads. That makes it very tiresome to handle these situations. I am asking you voluntarily to leave. I am doing it in this public manner because you and the other participants in these arguments have aired your dirty laundry here for months.

To those of you who have earned the notorious distinction of being regular cast members in these fights, do not look at this as a victory. You are on very shaky ground as far as keeping the privilege of remaining in this community. This is particularly troubling to me because the people to whom I am referring have demonstrated themselves to be very creative and inventive members of the Super 8 community, of which this forum is a mere subset. At this stage in the Super 8 game, when we can quite rightly be looked upon by the mainstream as a niche group of eccentrics, we should do a better job of sticking together.

Other members, please don't respond to anymore of these errant threads. I don't want to have shut this board down before a new one is established. If this does happen, go to my main site at http://www.super8filmmaking.com for news of what's up.

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Mike, I am stunned by your assertions.

I am the one who has interceded on many recent occasions when this board was being flamed by others.

Baffler and Rexster were planning fisticuffs on the "LA FILM Group" get-together Post.

Of course, the posts no longer exist because you wisely deleted them...

But I got in the middle of the forum fight in which these two were making plans to meet and have a real fight, and I said to both posters, "words on the internet should never lead to fisticuffs"...

I also said on another post to these two guys that "anyone who creates a fight situation when they have less than 10 posts is doing something wrong"...

Yes, I was in the middle trying to stop a fight, not be the "catalyst" to start one.

I was the one who interceded when Camera Guy recently said something inflammatory to Roger....I told Roger Camera Guy had flamed me before and said to Roger "Welcome to the Club".

If I had done nothing, Roger would have been forced to reply to Camera Guy, and a flame-out could have resulted.

I was the one who asked Mattias why he posted such an inflammatory remark on another topic post...and Roger even agreed with me that Mattias's post was inflammatory...Mattias then gave a civilized answer, he clarified his point, and the topic continued...as a matter of fact, I think it was the "filmmaking for peace" topic post.

I guess if I hadn't asked Mattias why he was flaming, you might have closed it when it barely had ten posts on it, instead my challenge to Mattias allowed an understanding to be created that helped keep the post open.

Wages Slave made a flaming comment against Roger recently.

Wages Slave ridiculed Roger and called him some derogatory name and a filmmaker who would never make another film, I responded on Rogers behalf.

(I thought Roger claimed I was the only one who got negative posts in his peace accord post)

I was one of those who said Wages Slaves Comments were not to be taken seriously because they were so over the top.

Wages Slave later said he was kidding, and amazingly enough, Roger believed him....Roger chose to believe wages slave rather than continue the fight.

When I recently tried to explain my prototype post more thoroughly, Roger chose to see it in a negative light...there was no "backpedaling" from me...I have had numerous experiences with prototype work, and it is an important issue to share with Super-8 filmmakers.

Instead of accepting my explanation, Roger chose to not believe me, and the forum at large lost an excellent opportunity to learn about the inner issues when contracting someone to do prototype work.

Mike, you may not find Chas's recent comments toward me offensive...but they were not true, and they were not on topic...they were inappropriate.

Am I allowed to have an opinion when I am the butt of a joke, evidently not by your siding with Chas. Am I not allowed to say how idiotic I thought Chas's comments were toward me ????

Matt recently called me a harrasser, I posted the e-mails he said were harrassment here on your forum...only because Matt brought it up.

Even when I tried to discuss the issue with Matt and not bring it onto Hostboard, Matt brings it up in a big way, and levels a harrassment charge toward me.

If my comments were were not harrassing, then Matt owes me an apology, but you know what, I don't want one.

I have in many instances taken responsibilities you have not considered.

When Hostboard was broken due to hardware failrue for two straight weeks back in May and June, then was down again for a day or two on a few other other occassions, I e-mailed over a hundred Super-8 posters updating them as to the status of Hostboard.

Some from the e-mail ranks would e-mail whenever Hostboard was up, and I would e-mail the 100 Super-8 Filmmakers to let them know the Super-8 board was back up.

It took me over 12 hours to compile that list. I guess back then, when I really did spend 3/4's of a day in front of the computer, it was ok because this board benefited.

I have also sent your Super-8 link to numerous people who now post here regularly, including super-8 bidders on e-bay.

Jenny, Dwaynes chemist, posts here because I e-mailed her your link and asked her to post here to benefit all.

Mike, was Roger's Peace Accord really that peaceful?

I think you could have offered a superior version to his...but you didn't...

...so my reaction to a not too peaceful Peace Accord post is the straw that breaks the back...or, wait, I caused Roger to write that...yes, I am catalyst if I post the original topic that chaps Rogers Butt, and I am also the cataylst if Roger is "forced" to write a Peace Accord that would make the Taliban proud.

By the way Mike, if you are freaked that I am too Un-American and unappreciative, I wrote a Taliban song sung to the tune of the Candy Man that you might appreciate, but you will have to all the way over to my forum to see it.

Perhaps I am not worthy.

I have a 15 second "God Bless America" Super-8 Promo of the Largest American Flag in the United States ever made that is currently airing numerous times every week in over a quarter million homes in the Pasadena, Glendale, Arcadia areas (near Los Angeles).

I hung way over a ledge thirteen stories off the ground to get that one of a kind Super-8 shot, and I may show it in the UCLA Super-8 film class I am currently taking.

When Wages Slave said Roger was some type of an over the hill has been who's greatest fame was Jet Benny...I laughed off the comment as being "over the top" in my response post that I posted in Roger's defense...

When Chas made his recent comments about me not filmming anymore and spending all of my time in front of the computer, Roger was one of the first to laugh at me with Chas.

Are you sure you did your moderator's job as throughly and properly these past few months to make such final and harsh actions as you are planning?

You never once had any kind of a discussion with me or the forum regarding the infamous DP topic post, your lack of response back then did not help anyone understand your intention for this forum...if anything, it just crystalized and confused the issue.

Your possible over reaction now, may not be either.

I would ask that you reread your own words Mike...you asked that we all start with a fresh slate...yet Roger recently said that he was still angry over what happened back in August.

Roger may have been the bigger man when he apologized to this forum, but if he still was angry with me, than it was a hollow apology.

Roger could have helped the situation by believing that I truly wish him no ill-will, rather than "apparently" still harboring anger toward me from this past August.

On the one hand you acknowledge me as a moderator, on the other hand you seem to have made up your mind in every way.

But Mike, if you do reconsider, please don't ask me to apologize.

You see how empowered Roger felt after he apologized to the forum that he felt he could do your job and come up with his "Peace Accord" post that was neither.

Apologizing corrupts half the time, and it helps half the time.

I expect no apologies directed toward me...

And to show how sincere I am...I am going to post a new topic...asking anyone who doesn't want me to respond to their posts to simply post their name...and I will respect their wishes and I won't respond to their posts.

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Alex

[1QuickSI]

Alex, regardless of what happened or not, who said what when, how or why unfortunatly is irrelevant. This is Mike's forum. He can run it as he wishes. As an administrator I will not instill by beliefs or thoughts in to anyone's forum. I also do not play good cop/bad cop. I will however help any moderator build a community as they wish it. This means if they have problems that they can not resolve I step in. In this case for what ever reason Mike has decided to request that you no longer post on his board. This is what he thinks is best for his community. This is not something that can be done via a vote of the users unless it is something he asks of them. As again this is his board to do with as he sees fit.

Please respect his wishes as I really do not want to start more drastic measures on my end as that is one aspect of administration I realy dislike.

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[Alex]

For the record, I came to you because Mike B was willing to think to leave this forum without saying anything to you or Hostboard.

Apparently, the things that I do to try and keep everything together matter for nothing.

As Roger has proven, with help from Matt and Chas, it easier to wreck someone elses reputation than it is to defend your own.

Since I never attacked Rogers credibility, I lose, or perhaps, the pending start of my own board....Super-8 in the Digital Age...means others besides myself will win.

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Alex

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